i have been Linux user since Redhat6, all that i can say is Linux has improved by hugely now, thanks to opensource. Linux user has to know a bit more abt his h/w: the common complaint “my device does not work in XYZ distribution so Linux is bad!” is not helpful. Sound projects like ALSA are good right now. It is not Linux’s fault that you could not figure out the latest distribution for your h/w. I personally liked PCLINUXOS 2007 for its simplicity and stability, followed by Fedora and Ubuntu
Hardy forces Firefox 3 on you. Upgrading on day one also has the problem of taking 13 hours because everyone else is doing it.
Well, Jeff. The results are in. According to the Linux users who have responded, you are a stupid, dishonest, trolling, mendacious, self-serving, inept, incompetent, corrupt MS fanboy. And so is Jamie Zawinski.
Incidentally, the main reason why I will never install Linux on any of my computers is… Linux users! What a loathsome and smarmy bunch.
works for me!
The solution for this is simple and it’s already in wide use by plenty of professional musicians and others who have to deal with audio:
Get a Mac.
Is there anyway to get back to your original OS before you upgraded? I have a computer (emachines brand)that came with Vista and it sucked. It came with a disk called Windows Anytime Upgrade and I didn’t know it had a grace period! Now it’s expired and now I can’t use my computer until I buy ANOTHER disk for it…quite expensive too. I really don’t want to buy it but I fear that I have no choice. I’m soooo stupid!! Help?
I don’t know, if he was such a world class software engineer, I would have expected him to fix the bug in the sound system instead of whining that it was broken (which was of course something that shouldn’t have happened). It is open source for a reason, you know? Especially when your business depends on it, it is probably worth the effort.
Of course, if you find another solution that works for you and is “cheaper” then use it. But if you decidedly choose free (as in free beer) open source software without buying any service for it and don’t want to invest something in it, you probably made the wrong choice.
I can’t repeat this enough: OSS lives from individuals contributing to it. If you expect everything to always work as you think it should, then OSS isn’t for you. It doesn’t get better from talking about how bad it is or that it still is so complex or not like this or not like that.
(Of course, I could sometimes rant endlessly about why this or that doesn’t work, but it still is up to me to do something about it)
I cannot help but wonder: Linux geeks stopped bashing Windows on their blogs a long time ago and started doing more constructive stuff. When will Windows geeks stop bashing everything else and return to producing interesting stuff? Since, you know, Windows-bashing and Linux-bashing has been boring for quite a while now…
Linux audio is the reason I gave up Linux as a /desktop/ OS in 2000. And again in 2002. And once more in 2006.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me three times and I’ll put up with half a dozen Putty windows on my Windows desktop for development…
“I don’t know, if he was such a world class software engineer, I would have expected him to fix the bug in the sound system instead of whining that it was broken…”
See, this is why, when I hear the word “Linux”, I generally think of the words “insufferable prick”. What a ridiculous negative attitude: “If it doesn’t work right, it’s your fault for not fixing it yourself!”
Let me ask you a question: What precisely is Jamie’s incentive to waste potentially several hours or several days digging through code he already knows is shoddy, in order to fix some annoying bug that wasn’t there yesterday? What is his compensation for this incredibly tedious work? The guy has a business to run, for god’s sake, one which I’m sure pays a lot better than, um, nothing.
Oh, right, it’s that warm fuzzy feeling you get from conquering obstacles and making the world a better place for the other 38 users with the same problem. Ha ha. As Jamie says, f**k it.
The story here isn’t Linux - and it’s suspect to say the least the anti-Linux spin you put on it considering some of your sponsors.
The story is more about if you’re writing tons of very, very custom custom code on obscure hardware you should expect some problems at upgrade! This goes for any platform. To some degree the fact that the guy is “A World Class Engineer” makes me think he can also tend to be a bit too clever and do things the rest of us “mere mortals” would never do. Thus he has problems we would never have and have never had (in my case running many production servers - many of which haven’t been rebooted for months, greater than nine months in some cases).
We had the same problems with the move to Win95, XP, Vista (which had huge driver problems and those are at least written by the company), and IE7 “broke the web”. Like I said, the story here isn’t about Linux, but how you should expect problems with your extremely custom work when you upgrade. It makes me sad that the angle on this that was given, and the angle many seem to enjoy taking up is “Ha! I’ve been telling everyone Linux sucks!” Right. Someone had an expected problem and now an entire OS is confirmed to suck. What.
Additionally Fedora is a horrible choice for anything requiring stability. Great general use OS, but it should be regarded as beta honestly. CentOS, Debian, or any other distribution aimed at production.
I need this tattoo’d on my hand. Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is dangerous and I’ve been burned by that myself several times:
I recently upgraded my Debian production box from sarge to etch and along the way, it upgraded MySQL (from 4 to 5). At first blush, everything looked great. But then it wasn’t until typical/normal traffic arrived later that it was apparent that “lazy joins” weren’t supported in MySQL 5 and several things were broken as a result. The mod_auth modules I used had also changed and my authenticated sections of our sites were broken as a result.
I also recently upgraded my MythTV box from 0.20 to 0.21 and it made things worse, too.
I’ve seen it said elsewhere - software doesn’t “rot” over time.
This has been the opposite of my experience over the past 7 or so years of dabbling with various Linux flavors. My first few attempts were disasterous, but more recent installs with Knoppix, openSUSE and Ubuntu have been surprisingly good. Hardware and drivers were automatically detected, and everything just worked. In the Windows world - particularly with Vista - I often have to hunt or wait for drivers from hardware manufacturers, and if they’re bad I’m just stuck.
I’ll agree that audio on Linux is a weak point.
I’ve been using Linux for quite a few years and have never had the above problems unless I was using some obscure hardware that no one had ever heard of. Especially on Ubuntu, which has the best hardware support I’ve seen yet.
ps.the orange is green
this post seriously disappoints me.
I am an 18 year old college student, working on my GE to eventually get a degree in computer science. I have had 1 formal class in computers, and that was programming java.
I run linux all day, inside and out.
Home desktop? Linux.
Work desktop? Linux.
every server I install at work? you betcha, thats linux.
“I have better things to do” is rather humorous. Just because you failed doesn’t mean its not a simple fix. My home computer has been acting up, so I installed an Alpha of ubuntu on it. it failed miserably. rather than patch it, i went and installed the next beta when it came out 2 days later. works better than ANY system i have EVER seen.
With the release of Vista, I am AMAZED that anyone still have faith in microsoft.
I’ll tell you what. Give me 30 minutes to install and customize ubuntu on ANY system (that time doesn’t include install time, as that could take a bit longer depending on your hardware) and I DEFY you to find a way that vista is faster, more user friends, more stable, or more secure.
Us “mere mortals” just don’t have a God complex, and realize that computers can take time to get set up perfectly. and if you’re smart and want to save time, theres WONDERFUL resources, you can find them on this new thing, called “the internet”.
The screenshot of “how it looked” can’t be seen. Not that it matters much, but… I wanted to see it :<