Hard Drive Temperatures: Be Afraid

I read couple of case cooling articles where air flow must be from front to back, etc. Well I applied them to my Computer and I experienced significant loss of performance.
I removed all the additional fans and my system is back to its original kick ass speed.

Check your power supply, the additional fans could have put it over its power load limit?

When ever adding additional fans make sure you have them blowing in the same direction, otherwise you may make things worse.
Most power supply fans blow out, so if you place a fan on the front of the case it should be blowing into the case. It is rare but some old power supply fans do blow into the case.

For keeping hard drives cool I have found passive coolers to be effective and of course silent.

Chris - In regards to your problem, there is not much you can do, the drive can not be cooled below room temp. Well unless you try setting up a peltier system, but it would give you condensation problems.

To be honest the high humidity may prove more of a problem for your drive :frowning:

If possible try avoiding running you drive for long periods, back up to optical discs and if your lucky find a building with refrigerative a/c.

Jeff,
If the input power is 7 watts; there can be no more than 7 watts of heat generated. Conservation of energy still applies even when mechanical parts are involved. Friction does not magically create anything, it converts mechanical energy to heat energy.

According to SMART the two 500G drives in my newer RAID-1 have never been over 35 C – I do check them occasionally and they’re almost always 32-33 C.

My older drives (which I think are above the newer ones, which would make sense) have been up to about 40C. But at the end of the day I never worry about any of that. Why? Because they all have 5 year warranties, and they’re on two RAID-1 arrays with the important stuff backed up to the other array and to a RAID-1 box in a different room, and the really critical to rsync.net in Switzerland :slight_smile: If a disk fails, just take it out, send it to the manufacturer, who cares.

If I were really paranoid I’d get a bigger tower and have some hot spares. But I haven’t lost any data since the mid 90s (when I was 10 and still used Windows).

What RAID are you people using that doesn’t let you see SMART data? Just use mdadm :slight_smile: Maybe a little slower but then you don’t have to worry about your RAID controller failing either.

I’ve had 4 hard drives fail all at once on me. When I got my system going again I realized that these hard drives all failed due to overheating all at once. This makes no sense to me but for some reason I can’t keep these hard drives cool. Apparently I need a new case that will support several hard drive fans. I don’t quite understand how a enclosed with a hd fan keeps these hds cooler though. The case will eventually get very hot with all the components in them running. I guess I’m a power user but these hd’s these days aren’t made to last.

In my Fujitsu Siemens notebook, the hard drive and CPU are mounted ridiculously close to each other, causing drive running at 50C, ±3C (~23C room), and the CPU normal temp is between 57-77C.

The machine is placed on a table, on a device making an extra inch of free space underneath it, yet the drive temp is way higher than other laptops I’ve used in similar conditions!

But hey, what else to expect from drives having 2GHz dual core special coolers from AMD!?

Speaking of temperatures… Only 3 countries left now in the world - refusing to give up the use of Fahrenheit, and other completely illogical units of measurements: Burma, Liberia and USA!

While a comment above states there’s a study [3] showing no correlation, it’s difficult to understand how–when the A/C failed at two buildings–we lost several drives; first those in external enclosures, then those in machines where the fans were failing…in more than one event and at different times of the year.

Another comment states an energy conservation rule–what goes in must come out–and makes a sweeping generalization concerning heat transfer. Unfortunately, this is entirely incorrect; one must take into account the energy required to create magnetic moments, lateral head translation, and excess energy that travels through the system (relatively) unhindered. To wit, energy loss through components that generate it either through resistance, friction, or by virtue of simply failing to be a superconductor is a small part of what’s happening. If energy out (as heat) was the same as electrical energy in, the device wouldn’t function.

Finally, friction. In a hard drive, heads FLOAT a small distance from the platters. Someone else said it best, in 1974:

The engineering requirement for a computer magnetic read-write head is similar to flying a Boeing 747 jet airliner at full throttle a few inches above the ground. [1] – Donald Zipperian, CTO, Pace Technologies, Tuscon, AZ

In 2007, the 747 has to fly at 0.01–with 100,000 passengers [2]–but it’s still not touching the platters! If they do, your heads crash and the drive–platters spinning 5-10K/second–will shear off metal particles, flinging them all over a landscape that’s supposed to be clean and flat. As for the study, IT DID find negative effects over 104F (40C). When metal gets hot it EXPANDS, and there is NO guarantee that it will expand evenly, within the tolerance of the counter-force exerted by mechanical constructs such as compression springs or leaves, OR that the heads will remain in the same position in 3D space, resulting in data errors.

Finally, if you heat up a (ferro) magnet, it dies [4]. These temperatures are high [5], but it’s useful info in case of fire.

Sources:
[1] http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=100367
[2] http://www.magneticsmagazine.com/images/Presentations/2007/Goglia.pdf
[3] http://www.pcworld.com/article/129420/high_heat_may_not_harm_hard_drives.html
[4] http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae472.cfm
[5] http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raid-recovery,1542-3.html
and http://www.ocforums.com/archive/index.php/t-454159.html
and http://www.priorartdatabase.com/IPCOM/000111895

My HDD runs at 36-38 celsius when idle. Not sure how much is the load temperature, but when I use HDTune to scan for bad sectors, the temp hits 44-46 max celsius, so I assume 46 would be max load temp. Is it safe then?

HDData is a small program that is always alert in the background of your Window Computer.
HDData measures all kind of Hard Drive parameters. If one of these parameters is exceeding a limit or sensing an error, HDData will warn you.
You can control what actions HDData will execute for you when the Hard Drive Temperature reaches a Warning and/or an SMART Alarm setting.
You have still time to save your work before the Hard Drive gets overheated and gets irretrievable broken down. You can act before losing everything!

my laptop has a fujitsu hdd which works at 54 degrees, yet no problems

Wow. You guys are temperatures that surprise me! My HDD have no active cooling and very little passive cooling besides natural convection and these are my average temps, I SWEAR!!!

Idle = 0% - 15% load
Active = 16% - 60% load
Load = 60% - 100% load

Seagate 7200.12 500GB Barracuda S-ATA II:
Idle: 30C
Active: 33
Load: 35

Hitachi 7200 RPM 750GB S-ATA II:
Idle: 38C
Active: 39C
Load: 40C

Other Temperatures:
CPU/GPU/Room/Motherboard/NBridge.

Idle PC: 45C/78C/26C/47C/67C
Active PC: 52C/85C/27C/52C/72C
Load PC: 61C/96C/27C/54C/78C

Basic Specs:
“All Stock Cooling”

“Part” (cooling type)
AMD Phenom x4 9850 @ 2.5GHz (stock)
6GB Samsung DDR2-800 PC-6400 (passive)
Nvidia GeForce 9800GT Overclocked (stock)
HD1: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB S-ATA II
HD2: Hitachi 7200RPM 750GB S-ATA II
NBridge Chipset: Nvidia nForce 720a MCP/ 8200 mGPU (offline)

So, ya are these good temps? Need your opinion.

Sincerely,
Narayan.

Sorry for the Uber posting but the first time I did it, my comment, it didn’t post so I thought that I messed up the verification code sorry y’all.

Tha hard drive could fail for unknown reason

I have an old Seagate ST3160021A hard drive and an older Western Digital WDC-800BB in a system I put together 4 years ago.

The Western Digital is not SMART and has no temperature sensor. A kitchen meat thermometer told me it was around 52ºC. I could not find any temp specs on it from Western Digital.

Seagate says the ST3160021A’s maximum temperature is 69ºC. It heats up to about 46ºC within an hour and then varies about 3 degrees. That same meat thermometer says it is at 45ºC while SpeedFan says it is 46ºC
SpeedFan reports it has gotten up to 63ºC, still well below its rated maximum.

My prime use is for photos and I back up regularly to external drives and disks. I have no idea how hard I am working the hard drives but the system is typically running 6 hours or more a day.

Both hard drives are quiet and seem to be doing fine. For what it is worth, all drive health programs I’ve used say they both are in good condition.

My other temps: Case 24ºC Radon 9250 Video Card 53ºC
CPU 50ºC Power Supply 34ºC

I agree that generally cooler is better but if you stay within the manufacture’s specs and guidelines, devices should work throughout a significant portion of their rated MTBFs.
And most do.
Those that do not aren’t on the market for very long.
At least that has been my experience as a lab QA (now retired) for many years.

I do not expect many run 24 hours a day. Few devices can do so without some sort of scheduled maintenance or down time.

Ted

Running at a cool 86F. Sidenote, do you know of any good free CPU/Case temp monitors? I’ve been using motherboard monitor for a while now, but there’s gotta be something better out there.

I’m also curious as to this so-called “research”. The source here is a sort of e-zine and doesn’t seem to state what the experiment(s) was/were. It sounds about as scientifically sound to me as something from GRC.

…which doesn’t make it untrue, of course. I’m simply not convinced.

How do you even test for such a thing? Not all drives are created equal - for obvious reasons, there’s no way to test the same drive’s lifetime at different temperatures. So you can only do this in huge batches expecting a random distribution, and you can only look at the MTBF. And if the MTBF is 30 years, then do you really care if you get another 5 years (or even another 50 years) out of it? Nobody keeps a drive for that long!

dc, I use motherboard monitor, but it’s a bit dated (however it gets the job done) and is lacking support for some of the newer CPUs.

My test utility says my drive is at 253?

You got to believe the utility is wrong here since the drive
is working great…

(Grin)

well now wasnt that educational,… shame MY HD seems to run 131F (58C)idle and arround 147F (64C) under load. been that way about a year now.

Time to get the gateway cleaned.

Malarky.

Typical operating specs allow for AMBIENT temperatures in the 5 - 55C range, which you’ve misread as DEVICE temperatures.

Example:
http://tinyurl.com/397s7pp